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The CBCP and the Roman Catholic Church: In Search of Relevance

October 1, 2010

The Roman Catholic church’s hegemony on ideas in the Western world and its vassal states started to break down after the reformation. The social movement abruptly ended the centuries old ideological domination by the Vatican of the Christian world. It first started as a brush fire in Germany, that quickly spread throughout Europe as a response to corruption and abuses in the church – administrative, sexual, political, economic and what have you.

The rise and coming fall of the church however, is just part of the evolution of memes. Prior to Christianity, there were other religions practised by the Romans, Greeks and the ancient world.

The Rise of Christianity

To understand the behavior of the Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines, we need to look back at its beginnings. Allow me to recycle electrons and quote from Explorethemed.com.

Christianity began as a tiny sect of Judaism during the life of Jesus, but in just 3 centuries it had become the dominant religion of the entire Mediterranean World. How did Christianity achieve this tremendous feat?

In the first few centuries of Christianity, the Roman establishment was threatened by the Christian reverence of a single God and Christians were severely persecuted under Roman rule. However, the spread of Christianity was only possible because of the stability and unification of the Mediterranean achieved by the Romans. The Romans had successfully unified the entire Mediterranean into a relatively peaceful and prosperous trading system. Communications between the various peoples of the Mediterranean had become streamlined into two major languages: Latin in the Western Mediterranean, and Greek in the Eastern Mediterranean. This prosperity and unification assisted early missionaries such as St. Paul in getting the word out about the new faith. The early centers of Christianity were the largest cities and the most urbanized provinces on the major trade networks of the Mediterranean.

Rodney Stark’s book, the Rise of Christianity, argues that one of the main reasons for the success of Early Christianity was the Christian emphasis on caring for the sick. During the late Roman period there were a number of devastating plagues: the Antonine Plague (165-180 AD), the Plague of Cyprian (251-270 AD), and the Plague of Justinian (541–542 AD). These periods coincide with some of the most prolific growth of Christianity. Stark contends that Christian communities would have had better survival rates during these plagues because of the healthcare they provided for one another. Christians also cared for the sick in non-Christian communities, which would increase the likelihood of their conversion, especially in times of death and uncertainty. The old religions offered no explanation for why these epidemics were occurring, the ancients had no real understating of micro-organisms and why communicable diseases spread, Christianity acted as a salvation.

By the 4th Century AD, Christianity had become the dominant religion of the Mediterranean. Constantine I, who reigned from 306-337 AD, was the first Roman Emperor to be converted to Christianity. Shortly after, in 380 AD, Emperor Theodosius I established Christianity as the official state religion, outlawing other faiths.

Christianity in Rome

It is widely known that the early Romans disliked the Christians.

Unlike Hinduism and Buddhism which were founded rather early, Christianity was only founded perhaps in 4 BC (as historians predicted), the year when its founder, Jesus Christ, was born. It is a religion that stresses on doing good to others and developing in oneself qualities such as compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. It is also important for every Christian to be able to forgive and forget. It is as we know today, a religion that is excepted by most and widely practised by people all over the world. It was not exactly the same case as in the past, however, especially in ancient Rome. The following is a story of how and why this was so…

Forty years after the death of the Roman emperor, Augustus Caesar, the new emperor Nero came to the throne at the age of sixteen. He was a wildly extravagant leader, taxing the people heavily to support his personal projects. He was also a wicked man.

In the year 64 A.D. a terrible fire raged for days in the slum districts of Rome, killing thousands of people and leaving thousands more homeless. Nero is thought to have started the fire as a sinister way to rid Rome of both the slums and their occupants. However Nero used the young community of Christians as his scapegoats, saying that they had started the tragic fire. He ordered many of these Christians to be massacred in -the amphitheatre and elsewhere.

The official Roman dislike of Christianity was surprising, for the Romans were usually quick to adopt the gods of other faiths into their own religion. For instance, when Rome conquered Greece, the Romans readily accepted the Greek gods and goddesses and their myths, and altered many established Roman deities to resemble their Greek counterparts. The Roman god Jupiter, for example, took on many traits of Zeus, the Greek god of the heavens. Thus, why then could they not accept Christianity??

The reasons were because…

The Romans also declared their emperors to be gods, beginning with Augustus Caesar. However, the Christians refused to take part in the worship of emperors and were as a result, so disliked by the Roman State!

Christians were also seen as subversive enemies of the state in their fervent desire to make converts. Despite the persecutions, particularly under the emperors Nero and Diocletian, the number of Christians increased and, in 313 A.D., the emperor Constantine granted the Christians freedom of religion.

Thus, we can now understand why Christianity was not well received by the Romans. The Christians refusal to follow the rules of the Romans definitely angered the Romans much. Christianity was even considered to be an illegal religion and Christians were even alleged to practise black magic and even cannibalism!

Even in ancient times, Christianity was trying to impose its ideological foundations and marry it with the state.

After finally succeeding with Constantinopole – the Roman Catholic Church plunged the world into the dark ages. That culminated in the reformation.

For the Philippines however, the story had just begun when the first Spanish friars arrived in the galleons in search of gold, spices, and tribute to the spanish crown. The rest if I may say so, is history.

Professor Susan Russell, Anthropologist wrote a very lucid piece on Christianity in the Philippines. The article explains “how a small number of Spaniards converted the bulk of the Philippine population to Christianity between the mid-1500s and 1898–the end of Spanish rule. It also discusses some of the variety of forms of Christianity practiced today in the Philippines.” Here is an excerpt:

In little more than a century, most lowland Filipinos were converted to Roman Catholicism. There are a number of reasons why Spanish missionaries were successful in this attempt:

1. Mass baptism – the initial practice of baptizing large numbers of Filipinos at one time enabled the initial conversion to Christianity. Otherwise, there is no way that such a small number of Spanish friars, or Catholic priests, could have accomplished this goal. It is said that many Filipinos associated baptism with their own indigenous ‘healing rituals’, which also rely on the symbolism of holy water–very typical of Southeast Asian societies.

2. Reduccion policies – in areas where Filipinos lived scattered across the landscape in small hamlets, the Spanish military employed a resettlement policy that they had used successful in Central and Latin America. This policy was called reduccion, and essentially meant a forced relocation of small, scattered settlements into one larger town. The policy was designed for the convenience of administration of the Spanish colony’s population, a way for a small number of armed Spanish constabulary to control more easily the movements and actions of a large number of Filipinos. It was also designed to enable Spain to collect taxes from their Christianized converts. Throughout Spanish rule, Christianized Filipinos were forced to pay larger taxes than indios, or native, unChristianized peoples.

The reduccion policy also made it easier for a single Spanish Catholic friar to ‘train’ Filipinos in the basic principles of Christianity. In reality, the policy was successful in some areas but impossible to enforce. Spanish archives are full of exasperated colonial officials complaining about how such settlements were ‘all but abandoned’ in many cases after only a few weeks.

3. Attitude of the Spanish clergy in the early phase – Spanish friars were forced to learn the native language of the peoples they sought to convert. Without schools that trained people in Spanish, the Spanish friars had no choice but to say Christian mass and otherwise communicate in the vernacular languages of the Philippines. There are over 200 native languages now; it is unknown how many existed in the beginning of Spanish rule.

In the first half, or 150 years of Spanish rule, friars often supported the plight of local peoples over the abuses of the Spanish military. In the late Spanish period, in contrast, Spanish priests enraged many Filipinos for failing to a) allow otherwise ‘trained’ Filipino priests to ascend into the higher echelons of the Catholic Church hierarchy in the Philippines; b) return much of the land they had claimed as ‘friar estates’ to the Philippine landless farmers; and c) recognizing nascent and emerging Filipino demands for more autonomy and a greater say in how the colony was to be managed.

4. Adaptation of Christianity to the local context – Filipinos were mostly animistic in their religious beliefs and practices prior to Spanish intervention. In most areas they revered the departed spirits of their ancestors through ritual offerings, and also believed in a variety of nature spirits. Such beliefs were central to healing practices, harvest rites, and to maintaining a cosmological balance between this world and the afterlife. Spirits were invisible, but also responsible for both good and bad events. Spirits could be blamed for poor harvests, illness, and bad luck generally. Yet Filipinos believed that proper ritual feasting of the spirits would appease them, and result in good harvests, healthy recovery of the ill, and the fertility of women.

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In the rallies in Manila that are broadcast throughout the Philippines by the media, vast numbers of Filipinos seek redemption or a better life by listening to what is essentially ‘Filipino’ gospel. Filipinos of all walks of life attend these rallies, sometimes to have their passports blessed so they can more easily attain jobs abroad that will help their families, and sometimes to have their bank books blessed so they can more easily save money. In any case, they, like many Americans who become enamored with t.v. evangelists, are looking for messages that promise not only salvation in the afterlife, but a better living standard in this life.

Religion, the State, and Secularism

The medieval dark ages demonstrated the catastrophic repercussions of imposing religious dogma on secular matters. The case of Galileo being the most celebrated case of the church’s hypocrisy, bigotry, and ignorance. Emperors, kings and princes shuddered at the thought of excommunication and eternal damnation by an old man in the sky who wants his arse kissed every Sunday.

The ridiculousness of the dogmatic impositions eventually led to the reformation and the wider acceptance of Secularism. As defined in Wikipedia,

“Secularism is the concept that government or other entities should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs. In one sense, secularism may assert the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, and the right to freedom from governmental imposition of religion upon the people within a state that is neutral on matters of belief. (See also Separation of church and state and Laïcité.) In another sense, it refers to the view that human activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be based on evidence and fact unbiased by religious influence.[1] (See also public reason.)

Secularism draws its intellectual roots from Greek and Roman philosophers such as Marcus Aurelius and Epicurus, medieval Muslim polymaths such as Ibn Rushd, Enlightenment thinkers like Denis Diderot, Voltaire, John Locke, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine, and modern freethinkers, agnostics and atheists such as Bertrand Russell and Robert Ingersoll.

Religion as a way of life.

I agree with Prof Russell’s statement that “Religious belief, as always, is based on the ability of a religion to offer answers to the questions, concerns, and needs of people in different cultural and economic circumstances.”

This becomes more striking as the current national debate on the Reproductive Health Bill comes to the fore. We need this bill badly – and the Catholic Church is being obstructionist.

Clearly, the CBCP and the Roman Catholic church is in search of relevance as it dips into the debate on population management and jueteng. The church points towards having a Catholic morality as a solution to the economic problems. I beg to disagree given that you can’t remove protectionism and its debilitating impact on the economy by going to church. You actually need to get the charter changed – a position which the Church has been campaigning against. Old tired solutions proposed by the church are not only ineffective but irrelevant and trivial as well.

Padre Damaso - Just STFU!

The “rock” upon which the Catholic Church stands is apparently, made of sand stitched together by mud.

It does not help that the Church had Carlos Celdran jailed. In fact, it has outraged more Filipinos. The monsignors better be ready, next thing you know – you will have the entire cast of Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo attending mass.

I respect other people’s religious beliefs and disbelief – it’s about time the Catholic Church woke up to the fact that it does not have a monopoly of the truth – and has in fact for a long time become an obstruction to the quest for truth. It has substituted truth with lies and dogma.

Clearly the God of the Gaps, the Roman Catholic Church, and the CBCP has much to learn about humanity. For the most part of recorded history, the RC has been doing much of the talking and getting the people to serve its ideologues – the pope, the cardinals, the bishops, priests. Isn’t it about time they actually started fulfilling their vocation of serving the people and not the other way around?

50 Comments
  1. Look, I don’t mind the Ayatollahs of the CBCP screaming “May PNoy be anathema!” What I DO mind, on the other hand, is his sister Kris NOT getting the brand of Anathema for her depravity.

  2. Homer permalink

    I also respect what others may believe in terms of religion, but it irks me to no end when they attempt to shove those beliefs down our throats. I agree that the church does NOT have a monopoly on the truth. It’s just that a large number of the oh-so-faithful has allowed the church to rule like they always have. I am usually “condemned” for not sharing their views, but that’s par for the course in a country of gullible fools. I don’t need the church’s effin’ dogma to be enlightened.

    Btw, a round of applause for Mr. Celdran. May his tribe increase…for our sake.

  3. puranzu permalink

    To be honest I didn’t expect noybita to have the balls to defy the catholic church.I guess political parties still mean something in the Philippines aside from funding benefits.

    In any case I am glad someone finally told these people their place in society.IN THEIR FACE

    However I really would like to see the church’s “civil disobedience”.

    Its a very interesting thought indeed.

    Kung tataas lng talaga ang antas ng edukasyon sa karaniwang pampulikong paaralan nais ko na doon ko na lang ipadala ang aking magiging anak kaysa sa isang pribadong paaralan na magdidik dik ng mga doktrinang d ko sinasampalataya sa ulo ng anak ko.

  4. puranzu permalink

    I just remembered

    RELIGION

    TREAT IT LIKE YOUR PENIS

    DON’T SHOW IT IN PUBLIC

    AND DON’T SHOVE IT IN YOUR CHILD’S THROAT

  5. ulong pare permalink

    keep your faith…. lose your religion… religion is bad for your mental health…

  6. It is about time that the Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines realizes that they should stop meddling in politics. Religions can express their views and opinions. They can always criticize but never dictate on state matters.

    I have experienced secularism in Europe and it is functioning very well there. The recent child abuse committed by priests led to massive “self-excommunication”. People protest against the Church by simply terminating their memberships. Lesser membership means lesser donations and compulsary taxes thus the RC is mindful on expressing their stands on politics.

  7. personally, sorry, i hate them. i finished 1-7th grade in CHS then when they found out that we (our family) became Jewish, they blacklisted me in all schools. Lovely, wonderful crap they say but do not do. Actually they found out when i was in my freshman HS year then they advised me to transfer to a secular school. At that age.. it was so hard for me to leave my friends. They are merciless!

  8. ako ang simula ng pagkabobo permalink

    RCC, ala ba tayong sermon dyan para sa mga illegal squatters? http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=616603&publicationSubCategoryId=64

  9. Hyden Toro permalink

    The Catholic Bishops are behaving like the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban.

  10. Hyden Toro permalink

    The Roman Catholic Church was declared as the official religion of the Roman Empire, during the reign of Emperor Constantine. This religion was one of the causes of the Fall of the Roman Empire. They were conquered by the Visigoths, Vandals and the Barbarians. Spain was just one of the colonies of the Roman Empire. It adapted also the Christian religion. Spain was ruled by the Sunni Islamic Ottoman Turks for almost 6 centuries. I am against all kinds of fundamentalism in all religions. Fundamentalism means, you are a blind follower. Willing to die for your religion; which you consider the Absolute Truth. I see the Catholic Bishops in the Philippines, behaving like the Islamic Taliban. Watch out, if suicide bombers will come out from them.

  11. sotirios permalink

    Hyden, I highly recommend that you buy and watch the BBC series “I, Ceasar” to correct your historical blah blah in your 1 October, 2010, 13:11 comment. Now I don’t mean to be rude, but really there is alot of rubbish in what is said.

  12. Hyden Toro permalink

    I have a satellite international TV subscription. I also read books about the History of Religions. I’d taken these subjects, during my college days in a good American university. I’m watching frequently History International and History channels, to upgrade my knowledge. Thanks for your recommendations. It is not important.😛

  13. Okay, most of you dislike the President and that’s okay.. but we need to push two things : that Reproductive Health Bill and the Meralco rates. I’ve written him a letter and was rather surprised (lol) that it was published in his kuro-kuro blog. Help me HERE,., I don’t care if you criticize him (he can take that) but I want that BILL passed and I want my Meralco Bill down.. I want to know if he will reply and be specific about it.
    http://kuro-kuro.org/index.php/archives/1784

  14. ulong pare permalink

    Religions of the World: …TAOISM >>> sh!t happens; …HINDUISM >>> this sh!t happens before; …ISLAM >>> if sh!t happens, take a hostage; …BUDDHISM >>> when sh!t happens, is it really sh!t?; …7TH DAY ADVENTIST>>> sh!t happens on saturday; …PROTESTANTISM >>> sh!t won’t happen if i work harder; … CATHOLICSM >>> if sh!t happens, i deserve it; … JEHOVAH’S WITNESS >>> knock, knock, ‘sh!t happens’; … JUDAISM >>> why does sh!t always happen to me?; … HARE KRISHNA >>> sh!t happens rama rama ding dong; … T V EVANGELISM >>> send more sh!t;… RASTAFARIANISM >>> let’s smoke this sh!t; … ATHEISM >>> no sh!t; … which SH!T are you? :mrgreen:

  15. @ulong pare — Judaism, if shit happens to me i m gonna make sure double shit happens to you smuck!!! .. hahahahhahah… you got humor buddy!

  16. Ponse permalink

    I’m not fan of the Catholic now or when I was a young lad reading how it used and abused its power in my history books. I even have a book about the  torture tools of the inquisition when I was a kid!  If you guys read the history of the Bible, so much has been changed and altered from the original scriptures that we do not really know what is the real teachings of the Christ and his apostles and those that were modified to fit the political agenda of the governing Church of that time. 

    I fervently believe that although the CC has done some positive social good by helping the poor and establishing community outreach but it is harming the Philippines by pushing and pushing its dogma on the common man without thinking of the consequences.  As for the reproductive health bill, the alternatives offered by the CC are not effective nor realistic. I have always wondered on how can single unmarried Priest offer advice on things such as marriage or even sex.  

    Even Rizal was not found of Catholic Church then. I bet if he was alive he won’t be found of the Catholic Church even today.

  17. Ponse permalink

    My apologies for my poor 2nd grade spelling.

    Found = fond.

    I

  18. You touched on this in the post but this can’t be emphasized enough–PHILIPPINE CATHOLICISM grew because it merely coopted PAGAN culture. The same way it did in other countries where it spread. If Christianity is to be defined by BIBLICAL accuracy, Catholicism is as Christian as Shakey’s Pizza is genuine Italian cuisine. Which is not very. One merely need to compare Catholic and Protestant countries in terms of economic and political advancement. Protestant countries evolved because FEUDALISM (which Catholicism thrives off) was done away with. SOmething the Philippines has yet to do.

  19. jmp permalink

    The CBCP should learn their place under the sun before this POLITICAL issue becomes a matter of FAITH in Filipino Catholics. This may be the right time that non-Catholic Christian sects renew their evangelism efforts of the 80’s to win over the Filipino Catholic flock who practice Jesus’ teachings yet are ticked off by the Philippines Catholic institution.

  20. Jay permalink

    If anything, its the CBCP that I’m not fond of. I’m not catholic but went to a Catholic high school growing up and their values seem hella different than those of in the Philippines.

    I was reminded of a story in high school about how an American catholic priest met up with a Mexican one over in Mexico, and the American priest couldn’t believe the difference of simple living was. I mean, they do live in poverty, though the definition is rather sketchy considering poor Pinoy families have inadequate living conditions, no transportation or assets and low food expenses due to questionable decisions regarding family planning. The priests/bishops have foreign made rides to cart them around, get to spend time in very well built structures doing whatever work they do, have proper sustenance for nourishment and even decent clothing.

  21. Hyden Toro permalink

    This is not your proper agenda. Go to the Batasan Pambansa. Twist the arms of those Congresspeople and Senators. Ask them to pass the Bill.

  22. Hyden Toro permalink

    @Ponse…Did you ever think those Single Unmarried Priests has never have Sex?😆

  23. palebluedot_ permalink

    just thought i add this information from http://www.collegegrad.com/careers/proft37.shtml:

    there are 2 types of priests: the Diocesan & the Religious.
    “Diocesan priests commit their lives to serving the people of a diocese, a church administrative region, and generally work in parishes, schools, or other Catholic institutions as assigned by the bishop of their diocese. Diocesan priests take oaths of celibacy and obedience. Religious priests belong to a religious order, such as the Jesuits, Dominicans, or Franciscans. In addition to the vows taken by diocesan priests, religious priests take a vow of poverty. ”

    “Diocesan priests attend to the spiritual, pastoral, moral, and educational needs of the members of their church. ”

    “Religious priests receive duty assignments from their superiors in their respective religious orders. Some religious priests specialize in teaching, whereas others serve as missionaries in foreign countries, where they may live under difficult and primitive conditions. Other religious priests live a communal life in monasteries, where they devote their lives to prayer, study, and assigned work. ”

    In Philippine setting, it is observed that Diocesan priests, who are mostly from poor families, are the ones who embrace “medieval Catholicism”. Take note also, they do not have vow of poverty. So observe them with magarang kotse, sakim sa donations, top-of-the-line mobile phones & laptops. Religious priests, otoh, are mostly from families who can afford for their children to be educated in better, progressive schools. They chose not to care much about material stuffs (vow of poverty), although they have them because they are gifts from families or inheritances.

    personally, it’s easier to talk intellectually with religious priests. It’s scary to talk with diocesan priest against their campaigns, they, esp. the oldies, sometimes threaten you to combust spontaneously. when it comes to RH bill, religious priests i talked with are open about it; diocesan priests are ready to go to the streets to protest. i see most diocesan priest are like corrupt barangay captains ha ha…

  24. palebluedot_ permalink

    before they are ordained, they are asked to experience the real world (papasok kasi sila sa fairy land:mrgreen: ). so most of them have experienced sex naman…pwera na lang sa ibang old priests na no-no pa sa kanilang formation…

  25. Wow, nice tidbit here. It’s as if the diocesan priests are not religious…😛

  26. Sounds exactly like Operation Wrath of God after the Munich Massacre.

    How about Wicca – this is sh!t from the goddess… and Filipinism – Pinoy sh!t is always better even if it’s still shit!😛

  27. Maybe the diocesan priests should engage in more mass protests along with their flock.  That way they keep them away from the bedroom.  

    The church is still a big bully.

  28. That’s why I’m in favor of scrapping compulsory celibacy and allowing married priests. That should teach them how hard it is to have a family.

  29. True, but remember there are Judas Iscar-iyots among the Simon Peters. Wasn’t the notorious Damaso a Franciscan?

  30. It’s either the Iscar-iyots bully all your heads or they bully (:mrgreen: ) the girls’ vaginas. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t eh?

  31. Alura permalink

    Sorry OT:

    Something’s wrong in AP facebook as if people are (leaving in droves, or maybe there is a major change in location), what happened? It used to be 2000 + then it becomes 90, then it becomes 89?😯  😐

  32. You know, it’s funny that someone in AP’s Facebook thread said that population control is harmful, citing Singapore and Japan as examples. They allow population control, and thus have a problem of aging populations. So the conclusion is that we shouldn’t adopt it or we’ll have an aging population.

    Yeah, right… problem is, there doesn’t seem to be any definite causal relationship between population control and aging populations. I think it’s more of culture that leads to people having less children.

    And here’s the clincher… which country has more hungry and poor people? Sing and Japan, or the Philippines? That’s the real problem. Better an aging population than a poor and hungry population.

  33. http://www.facebook.com/antipinoy  – FB Fan Page

    http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2015656  – FB Apps Page

    migrating the Apps  page to the Fan page

  34. Anti-pinoy Idiots permalink

    In humankind’s infancy religion is an effective balm in an environment of fear, suffering and ignorance. In the age of modernity, growth of knowledge and enlightenment; organized religion becomes a redundant vestigial thorn as humanity struggles to grow out of its infantile history.

    No to organized religion. Down with Ratzinger’s church. Time to bury Padre Damaso.

    Imagine No Religion: Can a Society Be Successful Without It?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/imagine-no-religion_b_731548.html

  35. A Blast from the Past, an article on Catholic views on the RH Bill that I wrote a few months earlier…

  36. API, have you become an infidel as well?

    “Even a thinking atheist could mark religion’s greatest gift to human society: human dignity, the value place on a single human life, the simple ida that man was more than an animal. That was the foundation of all human progress, because without it, human life was doomed to Thomas Hobbes’s model, ‘nasty, brutish, and short.'”

    -The Bear and the Dragon, p. 245

    I can see a society without religion clearly, API: the people no longer feel like people. It’s as if they are no more than animals in this planet. Even in this modern age, we need religion, lest we devalue ourselves… in general, however, we need God, for He is Love. By denying that God should exist, how can you explain the presence of those who love and love truly?💡

  37. It’s not only the churchmen who are in an uproar. The Objectivists see the RH bill as fascist. Hell, this one called Chuckie a neo-fascist: http://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/fascist-celdran/ in his site.

  38. Nothing objectivist about site – it was EMO BULLCRAP.😆

  39. Chuckie was sent to jail by the neo-fascist Roman Church of Emperor Palpatine.. ehe Rartziner and his Padre Damasos in the person of Msgr Nerbo.

    Chuckie was advocating for the removal of the shackles of the fascist totalitarian Catholic cult.

  40. JUANDELACRUZ permalink

    We should ban the Catholic Church in this country already for being imperialistic, and should do any of the following:
    1) Revive our own native religion which was destroyed by the Spanish colonizers ( the Philippine Pantheon is even uniquely distinctive enough to be formally recognized by Marvel Comics itself-http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/diwatas.htm )
    2) If this is not possible, create our own brand of Filipino Christianity (like the Egyptians with the Copts or the English with the Anglicans) by making the official state religion either the Aglipayan Church ( just like Gomburza wanted, it’s like CC but priests can marry ) or the Iglesia Ni Kristo (which would give us a most useful tool to secretly spread our own agenda in other countries as it is fast becoming popular abroad) or both (tag-team hehehehehehe).

  41. Froivinber is most likely against the punitive measures in the RH Bill that deals with entities that do not provide RH services as required. It is seen as an attack on “free enterprise.” While that may be a valid case, that can always be changed later. Denying people access to RH services is the real fascism, because it’s like denying a person toothpaste even when they need it. Being dictated on what you need and don’t need is exactly what objectivism is against, and it’s what Froivinber failed to understand.

  42. Here’s why The Vincenton Post argues thar RH care is NOT A RIGHT:

    One of the greatest fallacies ever invented to corrupt man’s mind is the distortion of the concept of “right!” That which you passionately call or claim as “right” means the “right” by, for, and of the socialists or the communists. There’s a big difference between a right and a privilege. A right is one that is incumbent upon an individual since birth. You have the right to exist, but you don’t have the right to command your neighbor to feed you. You have the right to education, but you cannot demand that you be spared from school fees to obtain a degree. You have the right to medical services, but you can’t tell the doctor, who spent a lot of money and years of his/her life studying medicine, to treat you for free. The proper concept of “right” means the right of every individual to choose and to reject self-destruction. Such a right cannot extend to enslave your neighbor. It simply means a right to choose or not to choose.

    On the other hand, “privilege” is the means to further exercise that right. It is an advantage which you earned and not merely given or extended to you without any reason or cause at all. We all have to work in order to earn for a living—in order to survive. One has to work in order to earn money for his/her plastic surgery or for the treatment of his/her serious illness. This is the basic reason why the Constitution recognizes individual rights—that we all have the right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. If this bill seeks to coerce employers to provide the health care needs of their employees, then it is tantamount to the deprivation of the property of the former. The state has no power or right to deprive someone of any portion of his earnings or property only to fulfill the happiness of other people. This is the natural meaning of the noble concept of “equality under the law.”

    http://fvdb.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/reproductive-health-care-is-not-a-right/

  43. Boils down to one thing – FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

    You have the option of having a driver’s license – or not having one – is that socialist?

    You have the option of having public education – or not having one – is that socialist?

    A church apologist calling oneself as objectivist is quite a stretch😆

  44. geeky Mary permalink

    I’ve seen some powerpoint thingy, probably the same file RCC used for their “subtle attack on families” seminar in local parishes. It’s obvious these priests fail! at logic and/or they flunked at biology and people still believe them when it comes to their bodies. Unbelievable.😯  

  45. Jay permalink

    Fun fact too: The aging population have also helped contribute to the rise of both nations respectively. Because of their work and sacrifice under a competent leadership, the younger generation can appreciate their hard work.

    Meanwhile, the Philippines have too many people who aren’t working or employed towards anything for the long term.

  46. So the Damasos Osama’d Chuckie?😈

  47. The Vincenton Post calls the RB bill a Fascist bill.

    Here’s why…

    This fascist bill authored by a statist in Congress explicitly states that the people have a right to “universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality reproductive health care services, methods, devices, supplies and relevant information.” There is no such thing as a right to health care. What this bill clearly undercuts is the fact that this statist blessing (universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality reproductive health care services, etc.) does not come from the government or the state. Some people have to provide it to the people by means of voluntary trade. This statist provision is tantamount to sending doctors and health providers to a sacrificial altar, forcing them to provide the people with “medically-safe, legal, affordable and quality reproductive health care services”. If they failed to provide this statist blessing, they would be penalized under Section 22 of this fascist bill.

    The medical profession is not a slave to our society. Doctors and medical health providers are not different from businessmen, lawyers, engineers, architects, and laborers. The important nature of their profession does not give the state the unjust, non-objective power to regulate and control the whole medical profession for the sake of the “greater good.” We have laws that penalize medical malpractice. We have objective laws that give people the right to sue incompetent doctors and health care providers. However, the state or the government has no right whatsoever to tell our doctors and health care providers: “Provide the people with affordable and quality health care services or else…” It is very clear that this legislative proposal seeks to enslave the entire medical profession by immolating and sacrificing doctors and health care providers to our society.

    http://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/reproductive-health-bill-a-fascist-bill/

  48. geeky Mary permalink

    Just a tangent, Bong V. If I remember correctly, Constantine believed there should be a powerful unifying factor (religion). Christianity then was not a one homogeneous sect, but is actually comprised of various competing sects much like today; so Constantine made sure there were standards (Council of Nicea).  Constantine “granting the freedom of religion” or granting the freedom to practice Christianity, is actually Constantine using Christianity to further his political ambitions.  
    Constantine viewed Christianity as a tool, until his logic failed a bit when he  started having health problems and believed Christianity could help him.

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